Boy and Girl Scouts Of Britain soon to welcome Atheists


851d0e812c8bfb4572e964c1233a50c7Brad: In a recent article in Metro news Dec 5,2012 atheists could be allowed to join Britain’s Boy and Girl Scouts!

According to the article, the Scout Association plans to draft an alternative oath specially for younger people with no references to God in the new reboy girl scoutsvised oath.

As well, younger people who do not have a faith are also welcome to join in this new revised oath especially geared to them.

The Scouts have offered versions referring to God to Muslim , Hindus, and other religions, but none so far to atheists.

According to Wayne Bulpitt ,the associations chief commissioner, he wanted the memberships opinion on this new revised oath, to keep them up to date with worldly views as well as to encourage memberships.

”However throughout their 105 year history the scouts continue to evolve so they will remain relevant to communities across the United Kingdom” quoted by Wayne Bulpitt.

Mr. Bulpitt also states they are a value based movement and religion will remain a key value!

Seems to this writer, how can the Scouts still have religion as a key value of the organization, when they welcome people who actually believe in nothing of religious value?cross

One thing though Mr Bulpitt states is that he plans to keep the oath to the queen

In this writers opinion ,the Scouts seem to throw out all of there values and ethics over their 105 year history for the sake of new members, members who will disband the organization because of their belief in nothing!

01ff5b7Ray: I was a scout earlier along my journey of life. When I was, there was little evidence of true Christianity in the organization. Although we did meet in an Anglican Church. The leaders cursed, drank, smoked and were not church attenders for the most part. There was no restriction on joining as evidenced by the leaders themselves. I imagine the oath to the queen and to God were performed without belief by many. The organization was originally started by the Anglican Church and always intended for atheists and others to join but it intended to influence them by befriending them in the name of Christ. And Atheists and the like were never turned away. (The oaths of allegiance were uttered by the atheists in those days when they were less militant against the organization and society in general.)

This is the fate of many Christian formed organizations which actually had there start as an attempt to encourage Christian friendships. However many of them downplayed their purpose so much that Christ was pretty much never mentioned. The Bible calls it putting your light under a bushel. What good is it if no one sees it?

Another such organization which succumbed was the Young Mans Christian Organization (YMCA). Today it is secular. It long ago gave up on basing its code of ethics on what would be called “Godly Morals”. The same will happen to the Boy Scouts. It already has happened on occasion as evidenced by the cases of child abuse reported.

As a side note the word in Noah Websters dictionary “MORALS” at one time gave the definition “pertaining to Godliness”.  That was expunged a hundred years ago when Merriam took over the dictionary. It might interest you to know that the Websters dictionary was written as an after thought by Noah in order to accompany the Websters Bible that he laboured many years prior to produce. The Webster Bible has since  disappeared but the now corrupted dictionary remains.

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4 thoughts on “Boy and Girl Scouts Of Britain soon to welcome Atheists

  1. Paul

    Hi guys, I once heard it said, ” Can an organization be Christian?” this idea suggests that Christians can run an organization on Christian principles and even run it as Christ centered. In the end the organization is not and can not be Christian, only people can be. The whole subject of oaths in general is rather a curious one to me. Since the Bible clearly states otherwise. James_5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. The idea of an organization that teaches us to follow Christ is a good one. If the people who lead it are people them selves that follow Jesus. Then whats up with an oath anyway? It is my conviction to teach people to follow Jesus. If someone wants to organize it and put a name on it , the idea kind of makes me wonder in and of itself.
    Is not the idea of the scouts or another organization just another way of franchising a local successful Christ centered ministry. Our forefathers called a move of God’s Holy Spirit a “Revival” thank God no one has tried to franchised it. Try as we might only turning ones life over to Jesus will bring a beautiful change in peoples lives.
    It has been my prayer of late that God will bring revival to our land and pour His Holy Spirit out on us that we might see many come to Jesus and experience real change in theirs lives. Whether or not someone says an oath means nothing to me.

  2. The idea came about by liberal thinkers of the late 19th and 20th century that we could Christianize folks through good works without mentioning Christ. The idea was that we can influence society toward the Christian teachings without preaching Christ himself.

    Today the Boy Scouts only reflects the majority opinion of its leadership. Such leadership should never have been allowed into the organization in the first place. But I agree with you Paul, that the organization itself cannot accomplish something that hasn’t happened in the lives of the individuals within the organization.

    If you read Revelation 3 carefully you will read about 7 different kinds of churches that actually existed at the time of the writing of the book of Revelation. Many of those churches died out shortly after the writing of the letter to them. One of them called the church of Laodocea seems to be prophetic of the state of the church in general today. Jesus says to that church that they are to behold that he stands at the door and knocks. If anyone hears His voice and lets Him in he will sup with them. It’s a sad state that Jesus has to knock to try to get in. (See Rev 3.20, and read over the whole chapter of Rev 3).

    One of my goals in the discussion of Truth at this website is to bring Christ into the conversation as Jesus said, “I am the way the truth and the life.”. He also said “the truth shall set you free” and Paul later said “God desires that all men might be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth”.

    Unfortunately the Boy Scouts do not have this knowledge of the truth or they would not be providing Muslim and Atheist avenues for membership in their organization. But I agree with you Paul that the only way this can change is if there is a revival, a great awakening in which people wish to turn away from their own understanding and towards the God of the Bible. Such a revival has to start with me as an individual and it has to be effectively communicated to others and it has to be empowered by the Holy Spirit to change the stony hearts of individuals in our society who tend to defen their ears toward the Bible and the God of the Bible.

    There is a newer organization called “AWANAS” that I would recommend. So far they have not succumbed to watering down the message of Christ, and they have not succumbed to allowing persons to rise into leadership positions who oppose the Word of God and the God of the Word (the Bible).

  3. Alex Keith

    The Scouts were never a “Christian” organization. In fact, the original Scouts handbook only mentioned the word Christian once. There are many mentions of God, but they are generally in phrases such as “…breathing God’s air…” as opposed to overt teaching about Christianity.

    Powell developed scouting more as a way to provide discipline, woodcraft and structure to young boys, in an almost military fashion. One of the main reasons that he imposed uniforms was to give the impression of equality amongst the boys, regardless of their background. I think that adapting over the years to accommodate muslims, jews, atheists, etc. is fully consistent with his original concept for scouting.

    But I must say, raising the recent examples of abuse by scout leaders is a little like throwing stones in a greenhouse. The church has also had it’s fair share of abuse of boys by priests, and I don’t think that anyone would try to say that senior church officials handled it appropriately, at least initially. But only an idiot would try to claim that those incidents, as horrific as they were, was a reflection on everything that the church does.

    • As I said they organization did little to protect the fact that it was started in an Anglican Church by Christians and as time has gone on God has become consistently removed from the organization.

      I beleive the same has occured within branches of Christianity whereby non-chirstians have been given a high place in the church, even the pulpit. And what you have in many churches is the blind leading the blind. They may be doing their blind leading in the name of Christ but they are only fooling themselves.

      Consider this statement by Jesus regarding false Christians (ones that are not really Christians but they believe that they are.)

      Matthew 7 – 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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