Pope Francis Remark about stance on gays ”Who Am I To Judge”?


BradSnell_IconBrad: From a recent article in  the Daily Brew when asked about the Catholic view on homosexuality in the church and gays being ministers, Pope Francis replied ”If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” he asked, according to the Canadian Press.

The Pope also said when someone sins but confesses’ God forgives and forgets.

This reverse about face statement was quite different in 2005 when Pope Benedict XVI signed an order that homosexual men should not be priests.

On one hand, the Catholic churches view on homosexuality is to be treated with dignity and respect but on the other hand opposes gay marriage!

Alright which will it be? You supposedly oppose gay marriages, but its okay to be in a gay relationship but must be treated with the same dignity and respect as husband and wife!

Although it’s unlikely Pope Francis will be riding on a float in a gay pride parade any time soon.

Whitefox_AvatarRay: It was Augustine (read the confessions of Augustine), the first leader in the Roman Catholic Church who decided to be celebate for the remainder of his life. This was after he lived a life of debauchery. Every prostitute knew him well prior to this decision. He decided just like Mr. Weiner of the USA that he now was going to turn over a new leaf and proof of that would be total abstinence from fornication for the rest of his life. He took it one step further. He would not marry.

Marriage is the one thing that permits sexual enactment between consenting husband and wife to be enjoyed without it being labelled as the sin of fornication. Fornication includes other sins outside of marriage including Adultery, Homosexuality, Beastiality and Incest which also includes Paedophila. Anything that the Bible classifies as a perversion from Gods ordained boundaries of sexual intimacy.

Jesus was clear that even the perverted thought life is sin. He said that to even look on a woman with lust is equivalent to committing adultery with her in his heart. So the Bible is very clear that not only must the physical life be “chaste” from sin but the thought life must also be chaste from sin.

Pope Benedict was correct in saying that homosexuals should be banned from the ministry in 1985 as the vast majority of paedophile cases in the Roman Catholic churches were cases where the abuser was a person who also identified themselves with the sin of Sodomy (Homosexuality). It was a wakeup call within Roman Catholicism that you cannot condone any form of fornication in positions of leadership in the church. Scripture is very clear on this matter that God detests fornication in all its forms.  That would include premarital sex. I emphasise this for those that wish to point the finger only at gays for their sin. Realize that the vast majority of society does not meet the mark that is required to be a leader in the church. It is not just the gays that fail to meet the mark. So don’t single them out only as if you have a form of righteousness that is acceptable to God that exceeds theirs.  However at the same time there cannot be a category of fornication that is given the green light. All sexual perversion is fornication in Gods eyes and is unacceptable to Him in positions of leadership in the Church.

1 Corinthians 5 – 1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named amongst the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2  And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you….(PAUL GOES ON IN THE PASSAGE TO REPREMAND THEM FOR ALLOWING THIS FORNICATION IN THE CHURCH.)

The Bible gives a remedy for fornication as follows:

1 Cor. 7 – 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife (Gk:gunay, woman), and let every woman have her own husband. 3  Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. 4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 5 Defraud you not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer, and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

The bible is clear that acting out Sodomy is an abomination. I mention this because some may say that I have failed to prove that Sodomy is one of the fornications spoken out against in the Bible. It is clearly spoken out against.

Numbers 20 – 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:

To avoid fornication by the priests in the Roman Catholic church they should obey the scriptural remedy for this which is to let every priest have his own wife (They are men after all). It specifically does not say that a priest should have a man. The Greek word gunay means woman but it is translated as wife in the English Bibles because it is understood to mean a woman that they are married to as opposed to an unmarried woman that every man is to have. You get that from the other scriptures and including further in this passage. A pope should issue an edict that the priests are free to marry a woman. This would put them in obedience with scripture on this point.

God is a God of change. He wants to change our lives. We have to be willing to be changed. Repentance is coming to God and admitting that we have failed to meet his holy standard of righteousness. We have missed the mark. The Bible is very clear that all of us have missed the mark. If you’ve ever stolen anything or lied you have missed the mark.

The Bible says,

Romans 3 – 23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

It also says,

Romans 6 – 23a For the wages of sin is death. (Spiritual separation from God).

All of us are dead in our sins.

Romans 6 – 23b But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

That gift is freely available but we must be willing to turn from our sins and turn toward Christ to ask for His forgiveness and His regeneration of our lives to make us into the kind of people that God wants us to be. Repentance means turning from self and turning toward God.

A person who does this may still be tempted occasionally by their old lifestyle. They must fight this. Just as Augustine did. In his case for him it involved celibacy but this was a personal conviction on his part that ought not to have been forced on the Roman Catholic Church leaders after him. The Bible presents the need for Christians to seek continual cleansing of sin in their thought lives and in their physical lives.

1 John 1 – 9 If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Cleansing is needed on an ongoing basis. If you have a desire to steal or lie. Keep praying about it and God will lessen this tendency for you. The same with any of the sins of fornication. However you will never be perfect as God is. You still have a need to have the perfection of Christ to be imputed to you and for your imperfection to be imputed to Christ. This is something you can pray for and receive if you will put your trust in Christ to do it for you. But you have to approach God with the willingness to turn from your sins towards Christ.

1 John 4 – 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. (The word propitiation means substitute. His perfection is given to us to give us a free pass before God who no longer sees our sin but the perfection of Christ in us. It is our ticket to heaven that is being offered.)

A new relationship begins in us when we receive the propitiation of Christ and he begins to change our lives. Don’t let anyone tell you that a sin cannot be changed in your life. God can accomplish what psychiatrists and physicians cannot accomplish in your life.

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4 thoughts on “Pope Francis Remark about stance on gays ”Who Am I To Judge”?

  1. Eliza

    Thank the Lord Jesus Christ for His mercy and grace to sinners!
    http://holdingforthhisword.wordpress.com/2013/07/31/jesus-christ-the-cornerstone/

  2. From what I can gather, his remarks are simply reiterating what has been Catholic doctrine for quite a while now: homosexuals shouldn’t be hated, but loved, embraced and tolerated so long as they remain celibate and don’t act on their evil evil evil urges.

  3. One of their evil urges was to pedophile children. It’s a fact that the vast majority of the Priests tried to use homosexuality as an excuse for their actions a decade ago when it came to light that many children have suffered sexual abuse by their priest.

    I personally know a man that went to Europe (not sure where) from Canada to become a Monk. He came back from this having been introduced to the homosexual lifestyle while at the monastery. In his view he discovered that he always was capable of this sin so he doesn’t blame it on the monastery that he was first introduced to it there.

    The Bible says we are all capable of all sins. We are all murders at heart we are all adulterers and fornicators at heart. All of us are in need of repentance and salvation. We do not act on our murderous inclinations we learn to love people when we follow Jesus as Christians. The same must apply to those that claim to have homosexual inclinations. They must learn to not act them out and to not dwell on such inclinations the same as fornicators and adulterers are expected to not act out their inclinations if they wish to be a disciple of Christ.

    People who do not wish to repent of sin cannot be followers of Christ. They do not belong in the church, certainly not in the pulpit or positions of authority. They ought not even to call themselves Christian if they have not intent on following the commandments of Christ and the Bible. However the Bible offers redemption to those who wish to allow God to change the direction of their life. All a person must do is admit their need and agree that Jesus is God, Lord and Saviour and only he can forgive them and offer His righteousness to them exchange for their unrighteousness.

    Here is what the Bible says about reading the Word of God in regards to obeying it. It is not good enough to just read without obedience.

    Deuteronomy 11 – 26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; 27 a blessing, if you obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: 28 and a curse, if you will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you.

    We become blessed if we read Gods Word (commandments) and obey them. The same words are a curse to us if we turn aside from them. And the Bible is clear on its rejection of homosexual sodomy.

    Leviticus 18 – 22 You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    • There is no real link between homosexuality and paedophilia. The vast majority of convicted paedophiles are attracted to the opposite adult sex (if they are at all attracted to adults, many only like children) and as a result young girls are abused twice as frequently as boys. The prevalence of male abuse, particularly in institutions like the Catholic church, is not the result of homosexuality but of convenience. There are alter boys but no alter girls.

      Linking paedophilia to homosexuality does nothing but distract from the main issue and vilify an unconnected group of people.

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